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Tonight we are going to do a full deep
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dive into Happy Gilmore 2 because I feel
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like this is one of the most anticipated
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sportsesque movies in a long time. A,
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Sandlers in it. B, nostalgia plays a
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factor. And C, the Netflix marketing
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campaign along with the celebrity cameos
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put this on social media everywhere. And
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so I thought, yeah, you know what? We
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should definitely deep dive into this
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one. my friend Adam Kaufman, who is a
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true cinnophile. He loves movies and
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really loves 90s sports movies. He's
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joined me on the radio in the past. He's
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going to join me coming up here in about
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25 minutes from now for the full deep
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dive. But I will say this about Happy
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Gilmore. I came in with ridiculously low
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and I came out of it going that was
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really good. Now, maybe it was because
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it was able to jump easily over my very
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low barometer, but I would give this an
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A minus. That's right, an A minus. There
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were a few corny things that I I would
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have tweaked. A few extraneous threads
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perhaps I would have tied up a little
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bit tighter. There was a few acting
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jobs, a few performances that were
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By and large though, I really liked it
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and I did not think I was going to. All
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of these retread reboot sequels,
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especially ones done for a streaming
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service and not the big, you know, the
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big theaters have often times been so
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lame. And this one was pretty good. Now,
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I I beg the question, was this I was
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laughing at jokes from 1995
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and they just so happened to be recycled
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in front of me, or was this really
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funny? I don't know. I'm going to
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dissect that with cough. But I was I
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went into it thinking I was going to do
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and I was laughing loudly on the couch
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in the basement. So much so that the
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Bourbon Bell came down last night and
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said, "Man, you really like this movie.
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I can hear you laughing from upstairs.
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I'm like, I really do and I can't
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believe I'm saying that. So, specifics
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on what I liked about it coming up here
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with cough, the deep dive on it. But if
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you're looking for a a quick summer
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laugh, b a little nostalgia without
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feeling awful and queasy about it, and c
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if you're looking for a movie you could
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watch with the family,
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Abby Gilmore 2 checks all the boxes. It
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does. It was It was so much better than
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I thought it was going to be. So much
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that I'm actually suggesting you watch
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it and I thought it was going to be a
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labor to get through it, but not so
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much. And there was there's been many a
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Netflix Adam Sandler movie that it was a
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has been a labor to get through. This
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was not. I thought it was really good.
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I see that you're wearing your very own
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Happy Gilmore jersey. Very nice. Look, I
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I would turn I'd turn around, but I'd
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knock my TV over behind me. But Gilmore
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18 on the back, just like the one that
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Sandler's been rocking. I've had this
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for, you know, at least a few years now,
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hanging in the closet with no good
3:08
reason to put it on other than this at
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this moment. So, uh, I'm glad you you're
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mildly justifying the purchase and here
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I love it. So, I came into the movie
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pretty low expectations. I thought this
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was going to be another corny, bad
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Sandler Netflix film. And I particularly
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thought it was going to be a really
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disappointing struggle to get through
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the two hours 30 years later. And I
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found myself laughing loudly during it,
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really enjoying it. Some things I would
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change if I had the the, you know, the
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power, but overall an extremely
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enjoyable movie. Shockingly so. I gave
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it an A minus. What was your review?
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So, I I think that review is is really
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interesting because I can't tell you
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like people know I love movies and watch
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a lot of movies and don't sleep enough
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because I'm watching movies. Uh, and I I
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have probably heard from more people
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about this movie than I have about any
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movie recently just because of all of
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the hype, pump, circumstance,
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expectations surround it going in. And
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you are I I got to tell you, I don't
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know if you spent much time on social
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media, but you are in a you're in
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rarified air, man, to have viewed Happy
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Gilmore 2 in the way that you just
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described. The vast majority of people
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that I have heard from, and this kind of
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meshes from, you know, sort of the vocal
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minority that you've seen on social
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media, it's a lot of worst movie ever. I
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couldn't make it through. I turned it
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off 45 minutes in or I turned it off
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with a half hour left. I simply couldn't
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finish it. This movie was painful. Why
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did they do this do this? They're
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they're tarnishing the legacy. All of
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that stuff. I saw a tweet earlier today
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and I wish I could remember who said it
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because I'd love to attribute it, but I
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I think it was it was pretty spot-on.
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You don't, you know, like if if it's
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Happy Gilmore 2 is kind of like a gas
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station hot dog. If if if you go in
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expecting it to be more than it is,
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that's on you. And I think a lot of
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people went into Happy Gilmore 2, not
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you obviously, but a lot of people went
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into Happy Gilmore 2 expecting just to
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not only, you know, honor the first one
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and and and and really celebrate the
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first one and and make all the inside
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jokes and bring back all the familiar
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characters 30 years later and all that
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stuff, but it was it was also like it
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was it was going to live up to it in a
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way. And that just is impossible. Like
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there was no universe. Like, you know,
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you you got Godfather and you got
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Godfather 2, right? Godfather 2 arguably
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better. You weren't Happy Gilmore 2
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wasn't going to be better than Happy
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Gilmore. There's like one time in in
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movie history that I can think of a
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situation where in a comedy the sequel
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was actually better than the original.
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So, would you give it Jump Street over
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21 Jump Street, by the way? I mean, it
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was it was it was fine. It was it was a
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a a hard C. Like it wasn't it wasn't
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like it wasn't it wasn't it was a it was
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a passing grade. It wasn't good. It
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wasn't terrible. It was what it was.
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Like for all the worst movie ever
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people, it wasn't even the worst movie
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in the Sandler catalog.
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No kidding. No kidding. There's like
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Sandler films. Absolutely.
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Oh, I I pulled up I don't know if you've
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you've you've gone through this
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exercise. I pulled up his Rotten
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Tomatoes page and reverse ranked it by
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Some of these you could probably
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This is the academia I look for out of
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Kaufman. So it has the the lowest one
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which has a zero on the tomato meter
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was one of those straight to Netflix
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movies. The Ridiculous Six.
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I don't know if anyone remembers that
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movie. Probably not worth a watch when
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it gets a zero. Even the audience score
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was a 37 on that one.
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Jack and Jill got a three. That movie is
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Awful. So bad. The grown-ups movies.
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Both absolutely worse. Yeah.
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Than this what we just saw.
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Uh now this one I kind of take exception
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to that. And this is where subjectivity
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comes in. Like what you outlined before
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like beauties in the eye of the
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I love the movie Bulletproof.
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Bulletproof got an eight from the
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critics. So, I'm not going to go through
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all of these, obviously, simply to say
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there are so many movies that Sandler
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has done that are viewed as worse than
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Happy Gilmore 2. I just think my issue
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ultimately was the plot was a mess and
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it was over-the-top fan service with not
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necessarily too many cameos, but some of
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the wrong ones. Okay, so I I thought the
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plot was messy, but not a mess.
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Basically, the plot is Happy Gilmore has
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to come back in golf because he needs to
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send his daughter to dance class in
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Are we allowed to spoil anything? Like
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truly spoil anything?
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Yeah, this is all spoiler alert. If you
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haven't seen the film, you don't want
8:12
spoilers away right now.
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I'm going to give people 5 seconds. You
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have 5 seconds of buffer to turn this
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five minutes in, he killed his wife.
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Well, what the hell? Yeah.
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So, his wife from from the first movie,
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we find out, is now dead. Why? We don't
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really know why they had to write that
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in, but he killed her with a long drive.
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Okay. So, she's dead. We find this in
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five minutes in. So, he's now a single
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dad. I guess they have to make it a down
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in his luck. Happy Gilmore. He also has
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five kids, four sons, and a daughter.
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He's got to send the daughter to France
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Virginia was the one who handled all the
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finances. Correct. That was the reason.
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So they set this plot which is okay. So
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he's got to come back and golf. That's
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fine. That works. Then they add the
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alternate tour that he needs to save
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golf from which is called what? What's
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which I don't like there's a part of me
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it felt a little more like PGL, right?
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That like Tiger Woods Rory Maroy League
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that they started because it's so
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different. But really, the intended
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undertones are a very exaggerated,
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amplified, outright mocked PGA versus
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Yes. And And I thought that was cool.
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And I thought you could have picked one
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or the other. Like Happy Gilmore either
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saves the PGA tour from Liv or saves his
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family. They combine that. They combine
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them both. Probably unnecessary, but I
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thought that the Liv underpinnings
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actually kind of worked because it was
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over-the-top cartoonish. And there are
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parts of Liv that feel over the top and
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stupid and and and a caricature.
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You know, maybe the sneakiest funny
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funniest part of that though was that
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after all the PGA tour and live drama
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and and guys spouting off at one another
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over the years over the big contracts
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and leaving and yada yada yada was that
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this team that was chosen to save the
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the tour was a mixture of two PGA guys
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That's very true. Rahm and Bryson were
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Here's what I thought were this is what
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I thought was amazing and probably saved
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the movie from being a C in my mind.
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John Daly being a living uncle, a
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surrogate uncle, a drunk surrogate uncle
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that lives in the house in the garage
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He was absolutely phenomenal. Plays the
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best role John Daly could have possibly
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played in a golf movie about John
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Dailyaly isms. and shooter McGavin being
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relegated to an insane asylum
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because he was driven nuts by happy
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success. I thought those two things are
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such tentpoles. They are really smartly
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developed, brilliantly put together and
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daily was a great actor and shooter
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McGavin is unbelievable in this movie.
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highlight the highlight.
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Every time they showed, every time they
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were on screen, I laughed and they were
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on screen almost the entire movie. You
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could pick and choose the other stuff
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which was pretty there was some really
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PJ golfers were terrible actors all
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at the same time, right? Like the the
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you know that's what she said stuff with
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Morawa and Schoffley. It wasn't it
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wasn't that it was that funny, but I
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like that they were trying
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the Sheffller arrest stuff was perfect.
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Like if if you're because I'm not I
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don't know. I mean you host a national
11:45
talk show. I don't know how many like
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casual sports fans remember that or even
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knew it but obviously to the golf
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community that was really fun and funny.
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So I think they were different things.
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Yes. And he's and Sheffller is the
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spends the entire movie in a jail cell
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and by the end of it doesn't want to
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leave. Right. Very funny. That's very
12:05
but but then but Shooter McGavin is so
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good and the idea that he spent 30 years
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in insane asylum and then gets released
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and for a multitude of reasons, but we
12:17
don't have to get into the details, but
12:18
then comes in to kind of like save the
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day with Happy and Save the PJ tour.
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I loved that writing. I thought it
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Some of the subtleties, especially
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around Shooter. So Shooter to me, like
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there were, like you said, it's not it's
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not a terrible movie. There are
12:34
absolutely some laugh out loud moments
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and I plan to watch it again. Like I I
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watched it for the first time. I wanted
12:39
to see it by myself and then I'll watch
12:40
it again, you know, with my 12-year-old
12:42
cuz I showed him the first one very
12:44
recently, like last week. And so now
12:46
he's looking forward to this one. But I
12:48
wanted eyes on it first, make sure it
12:49
was still appropriate and everything,
12:51
but but now I'm going to be watching and
12:53
looking for things that I didn't see the
12:54
first time around. And there were little
12:56
subtleties even as it relates to
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shooter. Like I saw him doing an
12:59
interview recently, Chris McDonald,
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talking about how do you remember in the
13:03
first movie when I don't remember where
13:06
they were, but it was it was some event
13:08
and you know Virginia's there and Doug
13:11
is there who's actually the director of
13:12
the first movie, whatever his real name
13:14
is, and shooters like in the background
13:17
and and like you're supposed to not know
13:20
he's there even though he's there with
13:21
his back to you. And then they introduce
13:23
him, he turns around, it's like, "Oh,
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where'd he come from? Where shooter come
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from?" They repeat the exact same thing
13:29
in this movie where they where again
13:32
it's Doug outlining the terms of this
13:34
event to all the PGA golfers and
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shooters just in the background and he's
13:39
like and now to take you through it like
13:41
tell you how to whatever shooter he just
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turns around he's like same thing same
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so it's just the it it feels like the
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I don't think this is like a a a crazy
13:54
thing to say of all the like lore that
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was Happy Gilmore and so many of that
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era of Adam Sandler movies. I'm not sure
14:02
there has been over the test of time
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a more heralded, famous, longlasting,
14:12
stillloved, you know, beloved character
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than Shooter McGavin. Like like
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Christopher McDonald has lived off of
14:19
playing that character. For anything
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else he has done in Hollywood,
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he gets he's talked about it. He gets
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stopped in the airport like shooter and
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he, you know, hits him with the guns.
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And so like for him to get to reprise
14:30
this and not miss a beat along the way
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was just it was incredible. Like that in
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and of itself to me if you like the
14:38
first one and who doesn't makes it worth
14:40
watching and just sort of gutting
14:42
through, especially lasting through
14:44
because most of his stuff is in the back
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Correct. Here were my gold stars and
14:51
then here were my losers. Okay, my gold
14:54
Ben Stiller, still fantastically funny,
14:57
very funny, aggressive role as the
15:00
Alcoholics Anonymous counselor who hates
15:03
Happy Gilmore and all the people trying
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to straighten out their life.
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Number two, Bad Bunny as his caddy.
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Great. And I don't really like Bad
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Bunny. He was great as as the Caddy.
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Could it have been better?
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No, he was awesome. I mean, it's and and
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also like going back to the PGA thing, I
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love that they, you know, say that the
15:27
caddy from the first movie grew up to be
15:29
Will's Alurus. Like, that's funny, too,
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you know? So, it's just again that
15:32
continuation of that stuff. But no, he
15:35
was he was I I was very skeptical when I
15:38
saw the trailer or read about it or
15:40
whatever at some point months ago. And
15:42
so, like Bad Bunny's the like we're
15:44
reading about Bad Bunny.
15:45
Sounds like a terrible idea, but it
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He's great. He's great. Vern, it's nice
15:52
that they brought back Vern. Vern
15:54
struggled at times. Vern's obviously up
15:56
there in age, but when Vern mimics
16:04
what's his what's his name?
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I don't remember his name.
16:07
It's It's so stupid. Omar Gosh. DJ Omar
16:18
Post Malone says that's some gangster
16:21
and Vern Lungquist says gangster
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indeed. I'm like that's great.
16:29
That's your Paul Parker moment right
16:30
there. The price is wrong,
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That's right. Exactly. That was all
16:35
those things worked for me. What didn't
16:37
work? I thought the four sons all stunk.
16:40
I I understood what they were doing.
16:41
Four meattheads. They were all Bruins
16:43
fans. They were fighters. The the acting
16:45
of those four kids, the casting of those
16:47
four kids, like one of them felt like he
16:49
could be a Sandler kid. The other three
16:52
I thought were poorly casted. Number
16:54
two, Chubb's hand was so distracting.
16:57
They didn't even try to make that hand
17:00
look like his hand was bitten off at the
17:02
wrist and so he had a wooden hand.
17:05
He was like holding. You could tell that
17:08
went to like his knee.
17:09
Exactly. So, he had a regular length arm
17:13
and hand, and he was holding what felt
17:15
like another forearm, obviously, under
17:17
the sweater with the wooden hand. I just
17:20
couldn't get past how lazy that that
17:24
what would you call that? The the
17:27
Yeah, the how lazy the prosthetic and
17:30
set design or whatever you the costume
17:32
design was. It was like, come on, just
17:34
try a little bit. Put something like a
17:35
hook over his hand with the hand so it's
17:38
just this much thicker. like you said
17:40
was down to his leg.
17:45
Uh, also, you know, the Bushi character,
17:48
he plays this character, the weird
17:51
neighbor, you know, probably
17:52
unnecessary, although him sitting on the
17:54
couch with Daly, I guess, is is kind of
18:00
um, Haley Joel Osmond, very good new uh,
18:04
villain, if you will. Very, very funny.
18:07
Did you ever see the Entourage movie?
18:11
So, he pretty much played the same guy
18:13
minus the, you know, clipped ligament
18:16
that allowed him to hit a golf ball 500
18:18
yards. But like that was that was sort
18:20
of where we were first, I think,
18:22
introduced to like villain Haley Joel
18:24
Osmond era. And yeah, he's he's like
18:28
obviously he's intended to be funnier in
18:30
this movie than he was in that movie,
18:31
although they're both technically
18:32
comedies, but just more slapsticky. But
18:35
it I don't know. like he was fine. He's
18:37
not what I envisioned in a role like
18:40
that and they could have gone a bunch of
18:41
different directions.
18:43
I thought it worked and I thought how
18:45
overthe-top the live tour guys were was
18:49
kind of like it started to get into a
18:51
little what was it Pixel that movie
18:53
where he fought the video games.
18:55
So Reggie Bush was one of those guys,
18:57
right? So Reggie Bush was very good, but
19:00
like the scenery, the G the the CGI that
19:03
started to become a little bit too much.
19:06
But I thought they had to thread the
19:07
needle on a new generation and an old
19:10
generation. They had to do a lot of nods
19:13
and also bring in your sons who are what
19:16
age between 9 and 13 or something like
19:20
So they have all these new characters
19:23
like Bad Bunny. They have to get these
19:25
podcasters in there as well that are hip
19:28
right now. They have to strike while the
19:30
iron's hot on this live tour type of
19:32
stuff. And I thought they they they
19:35
thread the needle pretty well. It was a
19:37
tough ask to satisfy both groups. And it
19:42
wasn't perfect, but it was a pretty
19:44
honest effort and I like I said, I give
19:47
it an A minus. So that's my pros and
19:48
cons. Where are you on this?
19:50
So there I mean there are a couple
19:51
things. Uh, I agree with a lot of what
19:53
you said there. It the cameos because
19:56
there were like 75 cameos in this movie
19:58
between the golfers and people you
20:00
wouldn't even necessarily recognize
20:01
depending on who you were. Like I
20:03
personally I'm not the biggest wrestling
20:04
fan so I wasn't like oh there's Becky
20:06
Lynch. You know what I mean? Like I
20:08
wouldn't have necessarily, you know,
20:09
caught some of that stuff that another
20:11
audience would have. But, you know,
20:14
being loyal to Sandler and Sandler
20:17
movies, you know, like we got for, you
20:20
know, we got Love it, we got for a
20:21
second Nick Schwarzson, we got, you
20:24
know, Bushi, who you talked about, we
20:25
got Dan Patrick, you know, but Kevin
20:28
Nean, but obviously he was in the first
20:32
like I was kind of waiting for like
20:33
where's Alan Covert, you know, where's
20:35
Peter Dante? Fair. where's like, you
20:38
know, like a fair or unfair, a scene
20:42
that annoyed the out of me. I just
20:45
like I I I sat there just actively
20:48
thinking, man, the way they're doing
20:50
this is unnecessary. This is so forced.
20:52
This is uncomfortable almost was the
20:56
him learning how to golf again and going
21:02
But it wasn't even just that it was
21:03
long. It was going out in this forsome.
21:05
the way they designed this thing with
21:06
the people that he went with, right?
21:08
It's it's, you know, Margaret Quali, who
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I realize is like big in Hollywood right
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now, but she was terrible. Eric Andre
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was awful. You know, Martin Hurley, who
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is, you know, the co-writer's kid and
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used to be on SNL, so fine. But again,
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uh, like tell me that scene couldn't
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have been better with
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Covert or Dante or Tim Meadows or Dave
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Fade or, you know, like there are just
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different ways for s like for like Dave
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Matthews, like he's been in multiple
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Sandler movies. Where was he? You know
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what I mean? So, I know you can't get
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everyone in, like you said, trying to
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thread a needle with all this in terms
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of the audiences, but that was like that
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scene to me in terms of who was in it
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and the way it was played was maybe the
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most over-the-top scene in the entire
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The way they were either mocking him or
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celebrating their terrible shots, you
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know, like Quali doing the splits, Andre
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go like playing up his comedic presence,
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like it it was just bad. It was a bad
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scene. like rewatch it. You'll hate it
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That's the big one that that I mean
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there were plenty of pros, plenty of
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cons. I know we haven't even really
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talked about Travis Kelce who didn't
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need to be in it. He was fine. He just
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like he's just like the you know because
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of the Taylor Swift thing. He's the
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hottest too much Kelsey.
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Too much too much Kelsey. But you know,
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yeah, he's hot right now.
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Too much in the movie, but like yeah,
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hot right now. The podcast is hot. He's
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legitimately funny. I'm not in the movie
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necessarily, but in general, the podcast
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is funny. His brother's funnier. I would
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have rather have seen Jason than Travis.
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But, uh, yeah, there were again, they
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just they tried to pack too much into
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two hours. That would be my biggest
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That's fair. Yeah, that now there was a
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10 pound burrito and a 5B
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bag or whatever they call that. Five
22:58
pounds of bead and a three pound
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But yes. All right. All right. So, we
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both agree it's worth the watch,
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especially if you're a Sand Sandler fan.
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And it does not make bottom 10 Sandler