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there's only one thing that I was left
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going like "Huh I wonder why." And Bill
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Simmons approached this a little bit in
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one of his interviews that many of the
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antagonists of the Celtics didn't want
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to be on camera and I thought "Oh that's
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um LeBron all of these enemies of the
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state and none of them wanted to be
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interviewed." And I thought that's so
0:26
weird because I mean yeah okay it's a
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Celtics dock but like I thought James
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Worthy came off great in this and Worthy
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was happily happily anti-Celtics he he
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loved being anti-eltics so how much of a
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bummer was it and what's what's your
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what's your thought on why so many of
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those guys just didn't want to talk so
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the the why of it I think you know Bill
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Simmons has said numerous times it the
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last dance kind of you know freak people
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out no one wants to be made to look be
1:01
look look bad and no one wants to you
1:04
know be the villain it is funny because
1:06
like when we were doing the captain I
1:07
can't tell you how many people were like
1:09
are you going to am I going to look like
1:10
Jerry Krauss in this so like people are
1:13
totally aware of what could happen so I
1:17
understand you know we do have some of
1:19
the same executive producers of The Last
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Dance on this and so when we you know we
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do outreach people they do their
1:26
research and they see who it is and yeah
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there's a few of those names you
1:30
mentioned that all I I I really wish
1:33
happened was that they got on the phone
1:34
with Lauren or me and we can tell them
1:37
like hey look this is what we're this
1:38
these are the questions we're going to
1:40
ask you these are the moments that we
1:42
want to explore with you and you know
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with Isaiah that's the one where I'm
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just like I'm really bummed um and I
1:49
understand Isaiah didn't want to talk
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most likely because of the comments that
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he made you know um right after they got
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eliminated in 87 in the Eastern
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Conference Finals that sparked a lot of
1:59
controversy um he also was be you know
2:02
made to be a villain in the Last Dance
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but like we also know that Isaiah Thomas
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had a friendship with Bill Russell that
2:09
we wanted to explore that the crazy
2:11
story that we really wanted to get in
2:13
there was that when Isaiah throws that
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pass that Bird picks off that turns that
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series in ' 87 Isaiah gets the ball
2:21
stolen after the game Bill
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Russell calls Isaiah Thomas and like
2:27
gives him a pep talk and like that story
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would have been so great getting from
2:33
Isaiah instead instead of the two
2:35
reporters we have telling that story
2:37
that we tried it it just didn't land and
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and also like Isaiah has said numerous
2:42
times uh publicly that like the Celtics
2:45
taught the Pistons how to win losing to
2:47
them in ' 87 and playing against those
2:49
guys taught them how to be champions
2:51
which we also thought was interesting in
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the end like what I told Isaiah is
2:55
people was like he won so I don't know
2:57
what he's you know so worried about he's
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just we're just going to present him as
3:02
an opponent same with Magic same with
3:04
all these other you know with LeBron um
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yeah I I wish I I wish we got him i
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think we did a great job of you don't
3:13
really feel their absence and I also
3:15
agree with you 100% james Worthy is the
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man um yeah he was great yeah i mean and
3:20
Magic Jerry West Jerry West was
3:23
phenomenal you know because Magic
3:26
specifically is so charismatic so is
3:28
Isaiah but but Magic is never he's never
3:30
the enemy he's always is charming and
3:33
amazing and he won twice against Bird so
3:35
it would be like he he would have the
3:38
ultimate role on this of like Yeah and
3:40
and I got him back in ' 85 and 87 and uh
3:43
what can you say about that so yeah that
3:46
that was uh that was weird to me that
3:48
they didn't want to speak also it's just
3:49
a sports documentary it's not like the
3:51
George Carl and I guess Jerry Krauss
3:54
does get his his legacy I guess does get
3:57
tarnished in his uh after that but it's
3:59
like you know so Isaiah's life didn't
4:02
change much I can't imagine because of
4:03
the Last Dance nor would it after this
4:05
documentary as well i'll be honest I
4:07
don't I don't know I don't know how
4:08
those things you know I'm not Isaiah
4:10
Thomas so I can't speak for that but I I
4:12
agree and also like it's not the same we
4:15
weren't going to set him up there was no
4:17
God saying that's what happened in the
4:19
last dance either that's the way he
4:20
feels that's the way he feels um so yeah
4:23
it yeah I agree with everything you're
4:25
saying i really wish those guys would
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just It's just sports and you know you
4:30
never know how you will be framed so I
4:32
can I can empathize with that but I bet
4:35
you if if they had watched this
4:37
nine-part series they would no longer be
4:39
worried that they would have been framed
4:41
unfairly because you guys were very
4:43
level very even-handed about Everything
